Units and matrices

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#1 Posted: 7/14/2010 3:02:00 PM
Edward Ulle

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I was curious to see how units would be handled in matrices. So I tried a few things and was suprised how well it worked. See screen shot below.

Great job. Well thought out. Remeber everthing is calculated in SI units but comes out fine in US/Imperial units.

Ed
#2 Posted: 10/24/2010 12:11:53 PM
Edward Ulle

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Another advantage of SMath over Mathcad is for matrix elements to have any units and the math is performed correctly. This matrix and multiplication of its elements is not possible in Mathcad.

Ed
#3 Posted: 8/30/2012 2:36:03 AM
ralfsnell

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How do these US units work?
If I take a simple force in kips multiplied by a moment arm in ft
I get result in J....then when I try to change units to kip ft
by adding kip, I get m kip...then when trying to get to kip ft
I get

kgm^2 kip'ft
________________
(s^2)kip'ft

Following from cut and paste....
el(F,1)*el(A,2)=225.97*{'kg*'m^2}/{'s^2*''kipft}@''kipft

Also, how do you get the units outside the matrix? I can only
put units immediately after the cell values.

Thanks for any responses.
#4 Posted: 8/30/2012 6:58:49 AM
Davide Carpi

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Hi ralfsnell,

simply type in the right placeholder

'kip*'ft


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#5 Posted: 8/31/2012 11:04:14 AM
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Thank you, was trying not to type but rather use the drop-down to insert units.
It appears the "*" was the missing element to that effort.
Appreciate your input and the attachment.

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Hi ralfsnell,

simply type in the right placeholder

'kip*'ft


regards,

w3b5urf3r



#6 Posted: 1/18/2017 6:45:25 PM
justhumm

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When using a matrix with elements of a variety of units, is there a way to control the display of the resulting units (imperial instead of SI units)?

For instance, in the attached image:

k'(1,1) = A(in^2)*E(ksi)/L(in) = kip/inch, but results are in kg/s^2

k'(3,2) = 6 * E(ksi) * I(in^4) / L^2(in^2) = kip, but results are in kg*m/s^2

matrix-units.JPG
#7 Posted: 1/18/2017 7:57:29 PM
Davide Carpi

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Hello [userlink]justhumm[/userlink],

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When using a matrix with elements of a variety of units, is there a way to control the display of the resulting units (imperial instead of SI units)?



You can try using

OutputUnitsSystem=Imperial

instead of

OutputUnitsSystem=Metric

in

%APPDATA%\Smath\settings.inf


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#8 Posted: 1/18/2017 8:51:58 PM
justhumm

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Davide Carpi:

Thanks for the response! It seems to be working.

Wishlist item:
It would be nice to have the ability to switch between feet and inches for the default imperial unit. :-)

matrix-units2.JPG
#9 Posted: 1/19/2017 9:19:54 AM
Davide Carpi

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You're welcome

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Wishlist item:
It would be nice to have the ability to switch between feet and inches for the default imperial unit. :-)



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#10 Posted: 2/14/2022 6:54:54 PM
Mark R Harris

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When using matrices with units the results are given MKS rather than in the input units as shown here:
Units with Matrices

What an I needing to do to show the correct units?
#11 Posted: 2/14/2022 8:46:07 PM
overlord

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What an I needing to do to show the correct units?


- After you calculate and get the result, click on the expression or move your cursor with keyboard to it (Step 1)
- There should appear a placeholder on the result part, write there your desired output unit (Step 2)
- When you press enter or click outside or just loose the focus for expression, your output shall be in your input units (Step 3)

Regards

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#12 Posted: 2/14/2022 10:06:05 PM
Mark R Harris

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Thank you so much Overload, greatly appreciated.
#13 Posted: 2/14/2022 11:08:20 PM
Mark R Harris

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This is getting so close!

I've tried the plus-minus function, but can't get the min or max element values. I suspect this is because the result isn't a maxtrix:
MinMaxValues.jpg
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Or it could be my 'PBCAK' (OSI layer-8) problem...
#14 Posted: 2/15/2022 7:47:55 AM
Davide Carpi

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I suspect this is because the result isn't a maxtrix




That's the cause, yes. You can use sys2mat() function from custom functions plugin or Max()/Min() functions (uppercase M) from the same extension.
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#15 Posted: 2/15/2022 3:46:33 PM
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Greatly appreciated Davide. Thank you.
#16 Posted: 2/16/2022 1:40:53 PM
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#17 Posted: 2/16/2022 1:50:49 PM
Mark R Harris

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Thank you Jean, that is very elegant. What was the function of the red kOHMS:=1?
#18 Posted: 2/16/2022 1:56:11 PM
Jean Giraud

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min("matrix") - Returns the smallest element of vector or matrix. If any value is complex, returns min(Re(...)) + i*min(Im(...)).
... Exemplified

2D Plot Discontinuous [min(,)].sm (44 KiB) downloaded 66 time(s).
#19 Posted: 2/16/2022 2:28:13 PM
overlord

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Thank you Jean, that is very elegant. What was the function of the red kOHMS:=1?


Actually it is not elegant, very primitive method only used by Jean.
He just continues to try to confuse new users.
He make his own units, not compatible with ISO units.
Which is the case here, he assigned a new red colored Ω to 1. (Ω:=1)
That red Ω is not V/A, ask him to divide it to volts. He won't get 1/Amper.

Don't use his methods, them are just bad practices.
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#20 Posted: 2/16/2022 3:05:33 PM
overlord

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Jean's math is unitless crusade is garbage.
We don't only do pure math calculations.
Engineering and science needs units.
As I have said before;
Math is unitless, science/engineering is not.

Jean's "silence unit" crap is useless, confusing.
As it is shown below.

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